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anax
Throne/6G
Posts: 942 Joined: 11 Apr 2012, 23:06 Location: England Nationality:
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omg KillingM gonna map?
AKA Knifeworld on Discord etc. Frozen brains tell no tales!
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ShadowRunner
It's over 5000!
Posts: 6970 Joined: 28 Feb 2006, 21:07 Nationality:
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In an ideal world, all maps would get hosted on aug and 0A servers and we'd leave it for about a week and judges would watch players. I won't discount player feedback, but if it differs, I will take it with a pinch of salt until we see the evidence in gameplay ourselves. I expect player feedback though to be largely consistent. So yes, hosting is important to judging.
Judges decisions should be final with Face getting chair position, being the industry-experienced, my 2 cents. Players should judge too and I think they will be invaluable in playing the maps and providing info relatively quickly on issues which aren't spotted in solo plays. Definitely Judges should watch battles I think.
Players should form judgements but not be able to override judges decision. If that was the case, Mini_Dust and NYC_Statue would have been removed from FGS 0A server. Taking Mini-Dust as an example, experienced players tend to be quite derisive of the map and complain, seeing it from the rifler point of view. They think purely from their own point of view and not that of all players. So player feedback needs to be consistent and generally unanimous, or us judges will be taking it with a pinch of salt. The perfect 0A rifle map is not going to win if it's uselss to auggers or low tech players, we are looking for creativity, originality and gameplay. Gameplay means all players, all skills, all weps etc. So for example, Mini-Dust and Statue beat Bound.
Also the players testing, need to be a good mix of skills, gametype preference and experience. You can see already, some maps are considering augged play and others are yet to show evidence of there being features useful for auggers.
I think however there should be an overall player's favourite and if that isn't the judges, then a separate award.
As for hosting, I'll have a chat with Face and Chinny, but I'm sure between us, we can manage this.
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Psycho
THIS IS SPARTAAA!!!
Posts: 338 Joined: 27 Jul 2011, 16:43 Location: Wales Nationality:
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If there is a map that gets created which is suitable for augs, and people agree that it's suitable, then I'll host them on AB ATDM UK
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Mastakilla
!Lysergsäurediethylamid!
Posts: 1825 Joined: 27 Jan 2009, 21:01 Location: 'Ton Hotel
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I may put in an entry for this
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Magus
THIS IS SPARTAAA!!!
Posts: 345 Joined: 27 Aug 2005, 15:41 Location: Manchester, England Nationality:
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ShadowRunner wrote:Judging by mapvote isn't particularly fair either, unless all votes are counted. Fast action maps tend to cause players to vote the nearest map rather than search the map they would really like etc.
The issue I would have with Mapvote here is not what people choose, but how are they going to know what they're choosing? All of the maps are going to be new content (hopefully) so with only a name to go on, what can you do? Best practice would be to have one hub hosting all of the maps in rotation (as was stated). Possibly two hubs (one for aug - probably ATDM, one for 0-aug) Having said that, we have to ask just how important player feedback (if any is given) is actually going to be to the judging process...
-- Magus "There are 10 kinds of people in the world - those who understand binary, and those who don't"
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Majster
Virtue/4E
Posts: 463 Joined: 30 Sep 2010, 20:20 Location: Poland Nationality:
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The guy, who even doesn't know how edit damage of weapon in UED... The guy, who haven't made any map... The guy, who isn't mapper, but warrior, or even berserker... Yes, it's me. And these reasons are good to join in 2 MB's in 2 months Mapping Challenge. I am making my first map ever.
ShadowRunner wrote:There's paranoia and anger everywhere about fps, people are taking 0a FAR too seriously, liven the game up and make it more fun for EVERYONE. (and me and Chees lol)
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Alessi
Power/3D
Posts: 294 Joined: 25 Nov 2011, 23:46 Location: I'm in Malta BITCH Nationality:
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Majster wrote:The guy, who even doesn't know how edit damage of weapon in UED... The guy, who haven't made any map... The guy, who isn't mapper, but warrior, or even berserker... Yes, it's me. And these reasons are good to join in 2 MB's in 2 months Mapping Challenge. I am making my first map ever.
Good sport..good luck
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Majster
Virtue/4E
Posts: 463 Joined: 30 Sep 2010, 20:20 Location: Poland Nationality:
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Alessi wrote:Good sport..good luck
Thanks.
ShadowRunner wrote:There's paranoia and anger everywhere about fps, people are taking 0a FAR too seriously, liven the game up and make it more fun for EVERYONE. (and me and Chees lol)
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