Why leave the clan...

[ShadowRunner]

Cos for nearly one year now, every time I make a suggestion involving anything to do with more players, more servers, more mods, more new players etc... someone in my clan gotta insult me. I dont trust people who gotta make the effort to post something bitchy about a suggestion of 2 FGS servers, who cheat on servers, who never applied to FGS, had to fight for membership, and then spawned a lil noob version of himself and taught this kid all his dirty tricks and then unleashed him.

Well I go somewhere, by myself if I have to, but there I will be able to say "howabout a mod", "howabout a server", "howabout mappers get ftp access" and I wont get insulted or trolled or bitched on Alpha by the clique for saying it.

there is always some c u n t in this clan who has to oppose harmless, positive and community-minded things. It's become just like any other clan now... there's nothing cool about the insults, cheating here and there, negativity towards other editors, negativity and insults towards guests and non-members... you've become total noobs worse than ZXC. Except a few of you.

exit stage left.

[Mastakilla]

Good luck


I love google

[~DJ~]

HI.

I'm gonna start by saying this; I don't like where this is turning out to be, but since this is the third time your mentioning that you're leaving, it's really being childish and immature of you.

So anyway..

Cos for nearly one year now, every time I make a suggestion involving anything to do with more players, more servers, more mods, more new players etc... someone in my clan gotta insult me.

You've got to be kidding me. Are you saying that we 'insulted' you at your suggestions? No sir, it's called 'DISCUSSING YOUR SUGGESTIONS', we only debated on how things change, and what should be better to do. It isn't always about how things were in the past. (@2 ALTFIRE SERVERS/maplist/altfire issue)

You're the one who doesn't listen to suggestions and 'INSULT' people by calling them a newbie, denying their whole idea, and that they don't have experience and/or were trained by Icho. And made a strict mind about not even thinking about RPG. --
Then threatened to leave the clan upon not 'COMPLYING' with your demands, which were never really denied at the first place.. Later on when you realized how smart the RPG idea was, you changed your mind, although you completely ruined what could've been done.

I dont trust people who gotta make the effort to post something bitchy about a suggestion of 2 FGS servers, who cheat on servers, who never applied to FGS, had to fight for membership, and then spawned a lil noob version of himself and taught this kid all his dirty tricks and then unleashed him.

I think you're referring to me and Nobody here. I don't need to explain this at all, or anything more further here, but about 'making the effort to post something bitchy'-- More like calming you down to not leave the clan, and explaining OUR side of the view about the altfire issue. (which, by the way, you never really listened and did what you wanted to do with the threat).

We never went on servers to cheat, that I'll add. Maybe we might have had lulz n giggles, but only on our servers. I, on the other hand, as you all know, was 'caught cheating' by Phantom.. which, again, is really childish of you to bring this up again, I think I've already explained that event enough, so I'll leave this here.

Just to add another thing..(Shadow->Nobody) 'never had to fight for membership', I can only say that this proves how useful, skillful, and responsible Noodz is, generally, and for this clan.

I'm gonna leave all the rest stuff, because I don't have time, but generally if I wanted to insult you, or did not took you seriously, I would've just said *love* off to you the second time you said you were gonna leave. But I dint, I respect you.

[chin.democ.]

If you had/have some ideas about RPG then I'd love to hear them, all we have done so far is made a different template for Cozmo's RPG mod, we could make a future RPG [FGS] mod.

If we all got our brains together we could easily rival Facetown.

[Fear]

I think the reason people oppose RPG's initially is because of groups (clans war, they aint one) like ZXC and many before them who have unintensionally but by their own doing, created a stereotype to the word RPG when it comes to Deus Ex, and thats doing nothing but spawn many metabolic end product, admin abuse, and talk rubbish on a daily basis in a pointless high ping server. How is this a benefit to the game, i'd rather it dead than have 99% of the community doing that, which is the current case.

I cant mod or map or any of that, but as a pretty much 7 year long commited PLAYER to the game, In my opinion, creating all these mods and whatnot are good in terms boosting yourself, but they aint going to bring any new players because the game is far to dead for any RPG to kick off.

We need EURO and US servers for ctdm(0 aug), atdm, btdm, ctf and a few unique servers like that Alien vs Human one (face hit the nail on the head), and thats it, and then we need to think of a way to get more players, making new mods will not bring new players, only previous players back for a short time.

I think Rollo's aim was to improve the Masterserver, and a newcomers experience to Deus Ex, getting rid of mongholes like ZXC would be a start, because what they're doing isnt Deus Ex, its "MSN with hacktools" on the Unreal Engine.

All of the fighting within this clan is many metabolic end product, thats not what FGS is about.

[Fear]

posted twice on accident

[~][FGS][Nobody~]

Cos for nearly one year now, every time I make a suggestion involving anything to do with more players, more servers, more mods, more new players etc... someone in my clan gotta insult me. I dont trust people who gotta make the effort to post something bitchy about a suggestion of 2 FGS servers, who cheat on servers, who never applied to FGS, had to fight for membership, and then spawned a lil noob version of himself and taught this kid all his dirty tricks and then unleashed him.

Well I go somewhere, by myself if I have to, but there I will be able to say "howabout a mod", "howabout a server", "howabout mappers get ftp access" and I wont get insulted or trolled or bitched on Alpha by the clique for saying it.

there is always some c u n t in this clan who has to oppose harmless, positive and community-minded things. It's become just like any other clan now... there's nothing cool about the insults, cheating here and there, negativity towards other editors, negativity and insults towards guests and non-members... you've become total noobs worse than ZXC. Except a few of you.

exit stage left.

Ok, member entry removed and group membership revoked.

On a last note.. your mind is terribly bad.. I gave you FULL FTP access and you did NOT A LITTLE BIT.
And you are just fulfilling all criteria that you complain about in the same sentence.


Good luck anyway..

@DJ: I value your efforts to explain yourself together with my humble self.. but don't play his mind games anymore. .I won't from now on.

[ShadowRunner]

Explain me...

Why should Nobody or DJ or anyone else talk to me as if I have done something bad, by making a relationship with Eidos?

This mod, why is it bad? What's wrong with it, what is wrong with trying to bring the community together? What is wrong with trying to bring Eidos together with the community?

[666]

is not the joke of the first april ? or am i wrong

[~DJ~]

Sadly it was March 31st when we all posted..

[~][FGS][Nobody~]

Explain me...

Why should Nobody or DJ or anyone else talk to me as if I have done something bad, by making a relationship with Eidos?
This mod, why is it bad? What's wrong with it, what is wrong with trying to bring the community together? What is wrong with trying to bring Eidos together with the community?

I never said it's bad. Yet again.. that conclusion is just happening in your mental cinema again..
What I always said is that I appreciate your efforts.. it's a nice idea.. it's more.. it's a great vision..
..but I personally think that this won't succeed. If it will succeed, then I would be happy of course.. but from my PERSONAL POINT OF VIEW I think that this won't work..
I may have my personal point of view without you thinking to be directly attacked, may I?

[ShadowRunner]

lol wake up and smell the coffee.

It has already succeeded. It has brought DX3 creatives, DX1 creatives and Eidos together. All are excited about it, except most DX1 coders. I wonder why that is.

You don't see me walking around publicly slagging off my clanmate's work. So yes, you and DJ provoke people often.

[Mastakilla]

It has already succeeded. It has brought DX3 creatives, DX1 creatives and Eidos together. All are excited about it, except most DX1 coders. I wonder why that is.

Most people already had projects to attend to, and probably things going on in their personal life... I understand that you're very excited about your project, and rightly so, but you can't expect everyone to see your effort as all important.
I do understand that you count on the support of your clan, but no one is going to kiss your ass and devote 100% of their time to your project which has an outrageous deadline

[ShadowRunner]

Most people already had projects to attend to, and probably things going on in their personal life... I understand that you're very excited about your project, and rightly so, but you can't expect everyone to see your effort as all important.
I do understand that you count on the support of your clan, but no one is going to kiss your ass and devote 100% of their time to your project which has an outrageous deadline

Dude, let's get some facts straight mate.

1. Not "my" project.

2. Of course, I don't expect people to see that an opportunity to provide MP to 1 million players of DXHR is important.

3. Being FGS doesn't mean you should work for FGS. However membership does demand a basic of level respect, which is absent.

4. Where did I ask anyone to kiss anyone's ass?

5. Project has no deadline, but of course it needs to show a certain level of progress if DXMP editing community want to get their hands on assets, before they could be public etc.

Masta, maybe you haven't seen the thread on alpha, but it coincides with Noodz's comments. For some reason, people feel they have a right to criticize my actions. My actions were simply to try to bring together Eidos and Community. James had been trying to do this for years, and no-one criticized him. I did it in a VERY inclusive way, made an open invitation to every person in DXMP. If you look at the trollage on Alpha right now, James' topic title refers to a complaint about me mentioning a mod on wiki.

What James DOESN'T point out, is that I also mentioned TREM, Stargate, MTL, DXSM, Alien Takeover and EVERYBODY ELSE'S mods too. Why would I not mention DXMPHR.

It's no crime to go on wikipedia and mention a DXMP revival and list some of the mods. James and some FGS members are being totally dishonest. I don't care if you believe me or not, but that is all I have done/intended to do on wikipedia.

[~DJ~]

Welll...If you look closely, the topic title says 'Mods'.

He wasn't talking about DXHR alone. Actually, from reading it again, it seems you brought it up by yourself.
Oh, and I simply said 'lol', which means that, on a casual friendly manner, I founded it to be funny. I would've written my post a bit bigger if I had realized it wasn't spam.

James mostly post in spam so..

EDIT: I'll appreciate it if you keep this debate on a single topic, the same debate, so I don't have to post the same thing over and over again.