The [FGS] Clan

ShadowRunner wrote:if the non-FGS and Xikron win the vote, I will not join another clan, FGS is the best clan in DX. There's no crime in being inexperienced on internet and forums. In any case this poll is a chance for many ppl to revenge me, but look, only one person votes against me so far...
What does that tell you...

Uhh..... If they were the "best" you wouldn't be posting in this topic right now. I think if they are going to get rid of you they should at least tell you why.....

I agree, I think Xikron is not thinking properly, you can not remove someone from a community without stating exact reasons why.He appears to have no sense of humour and to act with prejudice. That is my feeling. May I ask IchoTolot or Xikron to state the REASON/S why this poll began? If it is something to do with my forum rank, then I feel you relate to the past. If you had said WHY Xikron, I would not have posted here at all... Now I feel I must demand you immediately give reasons for your prejudice and lack of humour towards another fellow clan member.

3 No vs 1 Yes ... Where is your Prob ??? ... dont let you manipulate




PS: read my last PM :ROFLMFAO:

Where is your Prob ???

1. Lack of explanation for requesting I leave.
2. Unpleasant experience
3. Unnecessary experience.
4. Being dragged through public, without explanation.
5. Allowing the public to vote.
6. The fact that I directly spoke to Xikron about this issue on MSN.
7. No warning at all from Xikron.
8. No discussion with me first.

BTW a bunch of noobs offered to vote for me on MSN, I told them NOT to.

I didn't manipulate or rig that vote, I only know one of the voters for sure.

you know two now... you're not the problem...

ShadowRunner wrote:1. Lack of explanation for requesting I leave.
2. Unpleasant experience
3. Unnecessary experience.
4. Being dragged through public, without explanation.
5. Allowing the public to vote.
6. The fact that I directly spoke to Xikron about this issue on MSN.
7. No warning at all from Xikron.
8. No discussion with me first.

1+4+8 - hmm

2+3 - i understand

5 - yep this was wrong

6 - i dont was in the chat

7 - ???





Explanation: .... the last PM from you before i came back (*** = names from DX-Players)

ShadowRunner wrote:...I will never post again, except a map, i will deal only by pm in future 100%...shadowrunner can die, his maps wont of course...
*** is a big fat liar!!!
*** is a big Fat liar!!!
*** is Fiction too, *** is most definitely criminal...or paying one...
*** is very cool
*** are very cool...

What will you do, keep me in FGS or shall I leave?

i made a Poll ..... Sorry

I know almost all of the *** are lol.

Note: I am not voting

Ok Icho, I dont let me manipulate.

You dont have to say sorry, you didnt cause this problem and I dont say poll is wrong, who knows?

But all I was asking was to Xikron, WHY!!!! (If he expect he can expect me leave, or think poll is decent way) I dont say poll is wrong, just perhaps I deserve from Xikron to hear why...if his case is well argued, who knows? I might still leave. If I disagree, who knows? I might stay...

Dont over-react. No-one is perfect. Especially me.

EDIT: AAAAAAHHHHH!!!! you mean ME!!!! I was manipulated, yes I would agree very much. Sorry my german is not too good, my DX isnt much better either...

What you meant to say is Dont let people manipulate you... Ok Boss, well I wont get involved next time, and then I wont believe any many metabolic end product I read on MSN from bored ppl...

Every month Shadowrunner busts out with some kind of drama. I have spoken to him in the past about it. There are two problems while Icho was away. The first problem was the hacking allegations and conspiracy stuff. The second problem was how Shadowrunner dealt with the problem.

The problem that im more concerned about is #2, the product of the initial problem. It got a ton of people invoved, people were beeing accused of things and they had nothing to do with anything. Some of wich weren't even around a computer from the beginning of the problem to the end. There was even statements of going to the police. All of wich were assumptions on false information. Allthough Shadowrunner may not be at fault for obtaining misleading information, but what he did with that information was at his fault. America went to war with Iraq for the sole purpose of having intelegence of thier possesion of WMD, but this was proven wrong and claimed as America having "bad inteligence". Does that make the war right? It is what people do with bad information that can be a bigger problem than the problem itself.

It is not just this incodent that concerns me, allthough it was probably the heaviest of all, but a cumulative occurances of simular outbursts and allegations. It has come to my attention that these such things will continue to happen with Shadowrunner based on the frequency of events in the past. Meanwhile as he wear the FGS tag, the clan is somewhat looked at as beeing somewhat responsible for his actions. Also in a way, it also means that the FGS clan stand by the allegations made by him and support his decision.

The magnitude of this last outburst was greater than all of them. Spaning across multiple furums. The named people accused sometimes changed to other people. Flaming was going on everywhere, including here. It also involved people within FGS drawing tension between members and people pointing fingers at one another. Everyone may be fine with it at the moment, but due to the history of events that has accured dealing with Shadowrunner, I am compelled to beleive that it will happen again and will keep happening.

FGS, to what i perceive is a very straight up, no drama clan. From what ive seen in the past, FGS minds thier own business and goes about thier own business. They do not invoke mass arguments within the dx community and for the most part they remain fairly quiet. I cant speak for other people but it is for these reasons why I like to be in FGS. I think it is a respectable clan because of that and they do much for the DX Community.

This is not a direct attack on Shadowrunner, i beleive he means well and he too contributes a good deal of time with his mapping. He builds great maps. But due to the fact that he has a history of blowing things greatly out of perportion, stirring up coals in the DX community, i think FGS would be better off without Shadowrunner. One may say "how come nobody said anything before" and my answer to that is that i have on few occations and personally talked to him about managing his anger and frustration better. And he continues to do these things. To keep him in FGS it would only be a matter of time before another drama bomb hits, decimating the name and respectability of FGS as it is percieved by the rest of the DX community.

Well, like has been said I'm not an FGS member so I probably shouldn't comment. But I will anyway, I post this as a person not as an IO.

Personally, I don't have anything against any FGS member, and I apologise in advance if this causes any offense, but it seems to me that some forum/clan members are getting involved in a lot of drama, with a small number in particular being very hostile to IO, and using this board as a place to bash each other and to flame out grudges against IO.

Take for example this thread: which is essentially filled with rumours, scaremongering, and what I would consider to be outright lies.

As a person who believes firmly in the rights of all people, I tell you now that I would have absoluetly NOTHING to do with the IO clan if even 1/4 of the crap in that thread was true ... and I have reasonably good information that it's none of it is at all.

I guess FGS just has to decide if it wants to get bogged down in politics and drama, or just play the damn game and have some fun with it, which is what I and most others are here to do.

omfg... this sux!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! y?!?!!????????!!?!!??? wtf!?!? NO!!!!!!!!!! i can see the end of DX and i have only just begun playing a year ago this is not cool i am sad STOP these threads it is just not cool i will not go on every DX forum to say this so please take my advise and STOP with this many metabolic end product i do not want DX to die and from the way it looks it is dieing all this metabolic end product about conspiracys to crash a DX forum or server or what ever that was about is just *loving* retarded!!! games are for haveing fun!!!

I'm gonna come right out and say it. DX is dying and no one can stop it. On June 26 this game turned exactly 6 years old. Name another 6 year old game that you play regularly? The drama that goes on outside of the game has nothing to do with what is happening in the game. It was noticeable about 2 months back. Even before everything started, there were fewer players than there were last year. Even now look at the servers. Over the past few days they have almost been completely empty. You can't blame all of this on the drama that occurs outside the game. My prediction is that this game may last another year, but after that, there is a very good chance it will be dead, and there is very little that can be done to stop it.

1. Xikron makes many points about what happens OUTSIDE DX. There is no consideration of my self-discpline within the game. In fact this makes me really very angry Xikron, you link the death of DX to my behaviour and inexperience OUTSIDE the game, when you consider that in 1 year, no screenshot ever existed of me ruining or abusing a game in any way at all. Also it is a pure lie to say to that you have ever discussed "2" with me.

2.

Shadowrunner may not be at fault for obtaining misleading information

I didnt "obtain" it, I was not looking for trouble, Elemental whether innocently or maliciously (it doesnt matter) decided to show me what he alleged was "proof"...America went to war, but at least Shadowrunner knew when to stop.

3. You are distorting the truth Xikron. I never accuse anyone without evidence. Even now Scottishlad is bringup up old trouble. I have not re-accused him or hit back, simply done what you banned me for on GODZ, asked him to produce the evidence.

4. You act constantly with prejudice. I too have tried to discuss other matters with you, you constantly fail to understand yourself.

5. To suggest I will repeat this drama again is laughable.

If Xikron is right, then I will be getting myself into another flame war with EYE clan wont I. And if he is wrong, I will yet again endure more hate and vengeance from EYE clan. Are you saying you never tried to influence the public, regarding a post about you Xikron? I say you act with prejudice, you try to compare America's 20 years of bombing Iraqi farmers, with me DEFENDING attacks upon my integrity. I believe still you are a coward. If you had balls you would have dealt with this privately, perhaps asking Icho to issue a warning, what your grievance was and why I should stfu. What makes you think I dont respect you or Icho.

You know very well, I have reported much abuse including EYE clan, and strange to see EYE clan posting and voting here today...you know very well that in the past many ppl had anger towards me. Hitman convinced me a long time ago to stop reporting cheats and abuse. For the same reasons that Kami is talking about. Again you are distorting the truth.

After you made it clear you wished the matter dropped, I dropped it, I was not the person continuing to accuse ppl or flame ppl, actually Kothar and I were the people asking this to be closed. Again you are distorting the truth. You should have told me this, in this way a long time ago.Are you saying in your first year of MP, you were never accused of things you hadnt done, or never accidentally accused innocent ppl? I still have been playing less than a year, and forums six months? To accuse me of being the instigator of drama is nonsense... carry on with your public vote Xikron and Icho...Bear in mind, no FGS have ever been accused by me and the only vote against me, besides yours, is from a guy who has been accused of cabinet stealing and harrassment. What makes you think I will ever accuse anyone or defend myself again...

ALSO - FFS Xikron you are doing EXACTLY what you accuse me of. You have given EYE and a bunch of other ppl, a chance to come here and lie about FGS. Plz note the timing of EYE's posts...

ICHO - I have a suggestion, with EYE clan voting, this poll becomes pure many metabolic end product, there have been two votes by public, one for and one against. This could get silly with EYE clan involved.

I suggest you refer the matter to Senior FGS. Let Toss, Ooom, Roi, Axis, the older members decide... regardless of whether I am winning or not.

Xikron why dont you pm every person I ever reported in the wall of shame or here, and tell 'em about the poll, that way you might just win...

End of the Poll

4 vs 2


Shadowrunner staying in FGS