Improper behaviour

[-Majin-]

1. What do YOU consider cheating lil guys? You, shadow, you keep saying cheating and team killing over and over.. What if the person is you? I'm not saying I got proof.. But I wanna hear what you call "cheating".
2. Why Dj of all people? Last time I checked Dj is slow and half of his brain or maybe a third of his brain works.. I can see the teamkilling done by him but cheating?? Sorry no offense to Dj but he's too stupid to do it.
3. What I call cheating?
A. Lam bug( too many lams detonated can cause a server to crash)
B. Aimbot( I doubt anyone has one except for Alex and Batch)
C. Admin abuse(having the audacity to use power over players who got nothing)
D. All around trolling( shooting a friends lam in ur face, shooting him, placing gas grenades in spawn room doors, camping the spawns, blocking spawns, emp grenade bug.. If you can get 4 guys in different places in smuggler Doin this at same time it will also crash the server..)

[ShadowRunner]

cheating is like when the server/program/mod/whatever tells you the person is cheating. It's not an opinion, more like ... they were cheating.

[-Majin-]

Could it be because of a minor miscalculation in mtl?

Kicks people high of ping thinking it tampering the system? Do explain What your trying to say.. You didn't give any info at all on cheating.

[ShadowRunner]

I can not yet discuss the MTL aspects, because AIB intend to make a definitive posting on their site.

But that's ironic, because yes in normal circumstances you would be correct, there is a bug in MTL, not the ping one, but I believe this is how the red flag came up and warranted further investigation... ultimately what got them caught, is that they were exceptional in this case. What normally happens, was not happening and guys were becoming conspicuous.

Also there is something slightly amusing and very strange about what the 4 people have in common.
At first it doesn't make sense, but when you realize cheaters need an alibi, it explains this strange fact very well.
Also breaking news, there is proof of convo/screenshots of one of the cheaters revealing the two people that assisted him.
And if what AIB logs are showing is correct, then it's possibly another 2 people as well. So 6 people, of which I expect 4 to be proved or linked so heavily, that people will draw their own conclusions anyway. I've only seen a tiny piece of the evidence, but I am already convinced about one, shocked but ready to believe the other, so no reason to disbelieve the other two either.

Short of having Deja hack their msn logs, I'm quite sure they will claim that Ste is mad and fabricated or doctored the logs. But my understanding is that this has been over a period of weeks or months, so not impossible, but very difficult for one person to fool admins who use same server and the rest of the community too.

[Kaiden]

A fun command, could make other people execute a command that MTL kicked them for, granted it needed admin but still.

Again, no one is going to side with you Shadow on bashing DJ (or whatever FGS plans) until the evidence is made public incriminating him.

Even if there were MSN logs people would just take them out of context for their own ends anyway, as seen in the past. Also last I remember EDH didn't even have MTL?

EDIT: Spelling fail.

[-Majin-]

And ive crashed edh countless times.. Because of the fact they don't have mtl.. It's harder to crash a server with an updated mtl and a server that is well maintained. Just saying.

I believe I said it on nk forums when batch and I were goin around terrorizing clans and forums we used fake emails.. By fake I mean we had a list of thousands of stolen emails and passwords.. I read I think on thc forums that they were spamming stes email.. Well I could be that whoever is behind this wants someone else to take the fall instead of brought to justice.. As for the servers it all depends on the logs who has entered and what they were doing.

Btw does anyone have the A!B linkie.. Would appreciate it.

[ShadowRunner]

Again, no one is going to side with you Shadow on bashing DJ (or whatever FGS plans) until the evidence is made public incriminating him.

Even if there were MSN logs people would just take them out of context for their own ends anyway, as seen in the past. Also last I remember EDH didn't even have MTL?

EDIT: Spelling fail.

I'm not on any "side", my issue is that DJ is not straight with people, including his fellow clan members. The last thing I want is any "bashing". Ste opened the topic not me, steady tiger. DJ hasn't denied cheating in EDH or in AIB. I'm entitled to my opinion that he needs to leave before causing FGS further trust/reputation issues.

As for your comment about EDH, you're trying to justify or mitigate cheating. It reveals a possible lack of respect for the whole community. Cheating doesn't personally affect me, but teamkilling, aliasing, how the community view FGS does. People not being straight with their friends too, well... just a pet hate.

You can laugh, but I have decided to work with MIRK clan. They've taken enough bashing from "pros", have made efforts to clean their house and they're reaching out to raise their profile and reputation. I see no reason to disrespect them. Same as EDH.

Your problem is the same as DJ's, your toes are in the water, but you won't dive in. Actions speak louder than words. You've done a lot for DXMP, some unique work and experiences, shame to see you sitting by the poolside, wasting your breath. Shame to see DJ waste his talents too, he's a cool guy, but if he can't be straight with his clan...

I agree with you, bad joke about msn convos, what people say in private and public are very different. Easily misconstrued.

[-Majin-]

Whoa whoa whoa!

How's aliasing in the cheating category? You can alias if you want.. It doesn't make you the villain. I doubt Dj has done anything at all. Ste is a friend and I give him my support but Dj is also a friend and I got his back if anyone tries to pick on him.

[~DJ~]

..Ste why don't you clear out some names, I'm kinda tired of the drama? ATLEAST CLEAR MINE OUT THANKS.

[[DXA]avatar]

DJ us too pro 2 cheat !!!

[-Majin-]

Rofl pro.. He to dumb to cheat :p

[Psycho]

Rofl pro.. He to dumb to cheat :p

Well he's known to be a good coder. Give us some examples of your coding work

[ShadowRunner]

Whoa whoa whoa!
How's aliasing in the cheating category? You can alias if you want.. It doesn't make you the villain. I doubt Dj has done anything at all. Ste is a friend and I give him my support but Dj is also a friend and I got his back if anyone tries to pick on him.

Wtf are you smoking? Ste is not "picking" on anyone. People "picked" his server to cheat on. Ste didn't start this. DJ i's playing the innocent kid and has got your panties in a twist. If Ste needs time to compile, clarify and present months of abuse, fair enough. DJ you know what's coming, the only person that can end this drama right now is yourself.

Majin, DXMP is my friend and I got his back if anyone tries to pick on him.

[Alessi]

We need to have a formal meeting in Geneva regarding cheating. Pack your bags boys!
*prays the humor is noticed*

[ShadowRunner]

Unless things are twisted 180 degrees again and I'm accused of abusing DJ again, I have nothing further to say. I'll wait for Ste.

DJ could be more transparent, alias less, by not being that more simple, he's brought attention and suspicion. My 2 cents.

DJ, I apologize if you thought I was "picking" on you. What you did in 2010 has come back to bite you in the arse. Otherwise I'd be defending you, but you know I've been on the receiving end and find it hard to sympathize with you. I hope we can sort this out.