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[Hammer[HK]Time!]

The way players rate skill isn't by how productive the clan is. That shows usefulness to the community, but skill in game is another thing entirely. That's what Spaz is trying to say.

As for this;

When a newbie clan leader or clan warrant the negative attention of older, more established clans, it is a sign that you are rising and doing well.

I really hardly see [E] around. Only in wunderland from time to time. I'm unaware of any rising or generally anything to do with the clan at all. That's why I was comparing it to the other vague clans that don't play outside the mod servers.

[ShadowRunner]

The way players rate skill isn't by how productive the clan is. That shows usefulness to the community, but skill in game is another thing entirely. That's what Spaz is trying to say.

I am exactly talking about skills in game.

We are the only clan that genuinely and regularly fights in all gametypes.
Most others get ownt in custom and urine off back to 8 year old maps.
Our skillsbase is wider than any other clan, and I am talking about fighting.
If what you were saying was true, then people would not be leaving Wunderland/SG/AG server when they get ownt by FGS.
FGS dont leave atdm servers in the middle of a game when they lose.

As for [E], comparing them to [RTK] is ok, but comparing them to DXA, LTK, EDH, DIOS, etc... is pretty insulting. Prophet has been playing for two years.

What you auggers fail to understand is this.
[E] CHOOSE altfire, they want to play it. And they are the best at it.
you choose atdm, and you are the best at it.
You can not say you have more skill.

I am only willing to admit defeat in this debate, if B, HK, and all "skilled" clans actually whop our arses in Wunderlan, AG, or SG...

REN have accepted an AG challenge. It will prove this whole bs about skills is bs.

Dodging 20mm on GODZ is just as hard as dodging a sniper bullet in atdm imo

[Hammer[HK]Time!]

I see what you're saying, but although FGS plays several gametypes, does it master every varying type it plays?

That would be definitive in a discussion of skill. I don't know what AG is so I'm going to assume that I suck at it. However, SG is generally augs except with the accommodation to camp with weapons that explode the entire map so as to eliminate the minor inconvenience of fighting at all.

I have played some good games in SG, though. The ones where people didn't camp in a locked down base with superrockets and giant exploding nuclear anthrax lams were good games. However, arguably, its not really SG, that's just BTDM without full augs. But if that is referred to SG, I suppose I've mastered that.

Altfire is something I used to play enough to be fairly good at. Despite having high ping I could get around and get top score. These days if I go into altfire there is less shock rifle battles and more nade flinging. That's cool, cuz the lams have reduced damage and the vac grenade a precision weapon. But when it becomes a reliance, like the Parker Hale in Tactical, it's nothing more than a nuisance.

Coming back to the debate, I'd say playing several gametypes is one thing, but mastering several is determinant of skill. [FGS] is getting there, they've got altfire down mostly, SG so-so. AG I don't really no, so I'm assuming FGS' mastery of that type. BTDM and ATDM which are legitimate gametypes rather than seperate games, I haven't seen any FGS participating in quite some time.

[E] I haven't seen in anything but altfire, I wouldn't say they mastered that, FGS is closer to being unstoppable in altfire than any other clan I think.

[Kothar]

thats funny, the main goal of SG is to fight over holding the base, thats how its always been so SG promotes camping in a way. its all about the persons perspective as to how they like to play SG, and i see really no point in SG if the players make an agreement to fight outside the base. SG is very much a team oriented gametype like AG. when you work together to win its more fun then playing just to get a high score.

thats what bothers me now is everyone in the DX community is more worried about getting a really high score then going and posting a Sshot of their score so they can say ha im better than you!, then they are about having fun.


and one last thing... BTDM and ATDM are not the only "legitimate" gametypes modded or not altfire, SG, AG, and other mods are very much legitimate. saying that they aren't is like saying the grass outside isn't real.

[ShadowRunner]

We probably have more experience in AG, but it is the same as SG, a good augger or good sniper can rampage without knowing any AG skills. Ken is a good example in AG. Spaz is a good example in SG. And yes you are very good at altfire.

[SPAZ ROFELZ]

Shadow, I'm all for playing custom gametypes but seriously, lay the hell off ATDM and BTDM, strange that you keep bitching about your two weakest gametypes.

This many metabolic end product about which gametype is superior is easily decided as ATDM/BTDM due to the fact that they are the founding gametypes of DXMP. Altfire, SG, AG etc are cool (except AG which sucks donkey male sex organ but thats personal opinion) but at the end of the day the most skilled players normally have a good augging background.

If you want to get people to stop bitching about your *loving* gametypes shut the hell up about ours.

[ShadowRunner]

point taken, but when did I ever refer to atdm/btdm players as mid-skilled?

you are probably right, but we have skillz too.

[SPAZ ROFELZ]

You don't but you mouth off about how good you all are in different gametypes. It's like saying 2 + 2 is Alfred Hitchcock.

[Kothar]

we don't mouth off, we are good at different game types. and some of use are good at ATDM and BTDM like chinny for example. but others of us don't play those game types there for we are not as good at them.

and we don't bitch about ATDM or BTDM and we have never mentioned any gametype as being superior to any others... in fact your the only one who has.


and just remember just because ATDM and BTDM were first doesn't make them better than any other game type.

i am tired of saying the same thing over and over so why can't you just understand what i meant in my last post. and i swear anymore argument of what gametype is better and i will lock the topic its getting ridiculous.

[ShadowRunner]

Spaz aint bitching FGS
and we aint bitching atdm

And btw I've no news yet on whether the servers will temporarily close.

[Kothar]

altfire is down....

[~][FGS][Nobody~]

(except AG which sucks donkey male sex organ but thats personal opinion)

Interesting. A typical opinion for players that play as lone wolf.

[ShadowRunner]

The server is down, but so is the restart tool.

Since it is paid for as of today, I conclude either w00der got hit by floods like Spaz in sunny Gloucestershire... or he has taken the machine offline for some tinkering, maintenance or installation.

Gloucestershire, besides Germany and Thuringia is one of the spiritual homes of Deus Ex, all the best and ridiculously good looking people like me and Kaiden and w00der come from there... incidentally Gloucestershire posesses the highest US military presence anywhere in Europe and GCHQ. Perhaps a few Dentons are lurking in the woods...

[SPAZ ROFELZ]

I don't live in Gloststtsereytuershire...

[~][FGS][Nobody~]

Because you are SPAZ and not spiritual.