Server attack caught

Destroyerzero · Post by **Destroyerzero** » 17 Jan 2009, 14:38

I may have outgrown altfire (yeah took me 2 - 3 weeks to outgrow it) but I do consider one person in [FGS] to be a friend to me. That is [FGS]Nobody.....

I was admining E.D.H server today. I went in and since I play often in that server I chose to spend one entire rotation only admining and not playing (since augs require concentration but I take admining very seriously, more seriously than playing this game..)

Well, I found a server attacker and managed to take a screenshot. This wasn't just one occurence. The attack occured back to back twice and when I warned the player and was about to ban him he left.

Here is the screenshot.

[PICTURE REMOVED DUE TO ADMINISTRATIVE CONTENT]

Details: Notice the port number in the IP address itself as well as the player who did it and the IP address.

So far I've notified a lot of other server admins by MSN or/and have posted in their forumboards about it. Lets just say I respect server admins more than any player or mapper/modder out there.
~Destroyerzero

~[A]lex~ · Post by **~[A]lex~** » 17 Jan 2009, 14:51

First one note:

What the hell happened to your "I WILL NOT POST IPs OR HAND THEM OUT TO ANYONE" policy? Gave it up? Or never even had such policy but you just refused to cooperate with me when trying to stop actual hackers?

And you, Destroyerzero, are quite a fool.

Maybe you didn't knew, but Deus Ex itself creates a LOT of unwanted functions. This is due to a buggy core. Nephthys is originally created for ANOTHER GAME which does not have so many unwanted functions.
Jhonny is not a hacker/cheater. He did NOTHING wrong.

EDIT:
Nephthys documentation states:
RUF - Repetitive unwanted function. This attack may spam the server log and cause lag. This is a DoS (denial of service) attack attempt.

You really think he tried to DoS the E.D.H. server?

As I said, it's due to Deus Ex's core.

You just posted the IP address of an innocent player. I hope you feel good about yourself.

Post by **~][FGS][Nobody~** » 17 Jan 2009, 15:21

It is possible that this is an attack, but the picture doesn't show WHAT functions were called unexpectedly.
Thus, it can be anything and DX sometimes loves to send unwanted function calls by itself without the player even knowing it. The FGS server log is full of those. :/
I moved the URL of the picture to our admin forum. There's we'll consider about the issue.
If I were to ban anyone who causes such errors on the console, 2/3 of the DX players would be banned already.
Thanks for your input anyway, DZ.

PS: This thread is NOT going to become your both battleground now, ok?

Destroyerzero · Post by **Destroyerzero** » 17 Jan 2009, 15:53

Why doesnt Nephytys Generate an RUF attack for every single group of unwanted functions that is written to your Server.Log file?

Do you see what I am getting at?

Computers are Logical and they always will be. They will never generate anything at random because no computer is a true random machine. Computers operate by the Van Neumann Architecture. Programs that are executed, always are so in Linear fashion unless parallelism exists in which then we have Amdhel's Law to contend with.

Do you know what a real RUF attack actually is? Nepthys was written to protect servers and one needs knowledge of the type of attacks a server can endure before developing any defense against those attacks.

Before installing nepthys on my server I systematically tested it against every attack it claimed to protect against. This means knowing what EACH TYPE of attack is and how to generate it.

Sorry but programming in Unrealscript and a little bit of C++ doesn't make you a computer scientist.

Also given by your personality and attitude from the shot...you must be really mad tat me not because of legalities since you tried to get me to break the law when Dejavu was attacking servers so you aren't law abiding, in fact you are self centered and even cold...and think you are higher than the law in many cases....to the point you have no respect for it.

This is why I blocked you from MSN.

When all else including the impossible is eliminated, whatever remains, however improvable must be the truth.

I've eliminated a lot so far and the only remaining reason you would kill a screenshot is because either you are protecting yourself or protecting a friend and trying to throw legality in my face while hiding transgressions you know about.

~[A]lex~ · Post by **~[A]lex~** » 17 Jan 2009, 16:04

I'll tell you one thing, not going into all of your other crap, as it's just you trying to look cool.

"Why doesnt Nephytys Generate an RUF attack for every single group of unwanted functions that is written to your Server.Log file?"
A certain amount of unwanted & related functions must be called within a certain amount of time. See Nephthys.ini for exact values, I think.
In case you didn't knew, seeing as you are mistaken by many things. The .ini file is located in your System folder, and that folder is located in your Deus Ex root folder. A .ini file is a configuration file, the values entered in that file are used by the matching modifcations in Deus Ex itself, in this case Nephthys. Learned something new today! Yaay for you, DestroyerZero.

Jhonny killed himself with a GEP gun (Screenshot showed that).
Jhonny played on a E.D.H. (non-MTL!) server.
When killing yourself on a non-MTL server (and sometimes on MTL servers as well!) the GUI creates a lot of 'trash'. This is due to improper coding.
DXMTL somewhat fixed this, I believe.

As for Nephthys. Nephthys cannot check whether a 'RUF' attack can do damage or not. It simply 'blocks' them all. As I said before, Nephthys was NOT designed for Deus Ex, thus does not know what to exactly protect, thus protects it all.

Destroyerzero, just give up. Never cry wolf.

Destroyerzero · Post by **Destroyerzero** » 17 Jan 2009, 16:18

um I tested nephtys against each form of attack and was able to generate each form of attack systematically.....when I tested it prior to making it a good install for my server.

It was quite fun

Now you talk about MTL and all sorts of metabolic end product...

The proof that you are still newb at coding is that a Modder's version of MTL was actually made because morons could not decompile the original. MORONS who didn't that it takes two programs and around five mouse clicks to Decompile DXMTL152b1 and see all the classes completely....

Of course I knew Smuggler a bit as well as TRM...Even TRM couldn't decompile MTL itself...fun no? Gee...I wonder who were the three people who suggested certain programs for protecting MTL.....

Oh yeah...lets not forget that I did a lot of bug cataloguing in 2001

So how the *love* would you know the full difference between MTL and Non MTL coding when the community only has a partially decompiled modders version of DXMTL152b1?

You love to talk like an artist...saying a lot of words, but conveying so little. In other words...I don't believe you...but you know what the cool thing was? I actually sent an email to creator of Nephtys and got a technical reply from the author...

So I know more about nephtys than you do...Cute no? I also know how to bypass and defeat it completely as well.

This will be the last post here. I have no time for children and I dont want to give [FGS]Nobody a headache.

I dont waste my time programming for Unreal engine 1 because it was abandoned in a mere 2 - 3 years since its release....for many reason. I program in Unreal Engine 2.5 and 3.0...In fact you could look at Nvidia's Make Something Unreal Contest for several years....where I actually did well in it compare to your shitty deus ex mods....

Compared to me you're a little script kiddie. Ciao! ^_^

Post by **~][FGS][Nobody~** » 17 Jan 2009, 16:36

First of all.. RUF means Repetitive Unwanted Function call.

That IS an UC related issue.
Under controlled circumstances, the client is allowed to send certain function calls to the server in order to effect the server in any PREDEFINED way.
The major condition for this to work is, that the called function is declared as "client -> server" function, which happens in the class' replication definition block AND the OWNER of the object, that contains the function must the the player itself.
So, if you NOW send a function call from the client to the server WITHOUT the player being the owner of the object (which cannot be set from the client), THEN the server receives an unwanted function call.
You see, I don't need to be "a computer scientist" to know that.

Unfortunately, DXMP was coded that messy, that the conditions for a valid remote function call aren't always given.

@your last post, DZ:

I already got headache.
I pleased you both to keep it nice and you both ignored my wish completely.
As for MTL... in other words, you declare me as a MORON too.
The decompiled MTL you're pointing to was from me.
I was doing hard with it back then. A bit of help would have helped wonders.

And now PEACE PLEASE!

~CLOSED~

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