Arnie would be a great Gunther Hermann!

[ShadowRunner]

It was a joke about Marijuana, same as "Orange County", but now you mention it THC are extremely anti-SG and AG I noticed. They don't understand either why 0-augs exists in the first place.

SG and AG when run properly, are addictive to the community and bring all kinds of players together. Especially AG I think is the future, pros and newbs can play together.

[synthetic]

Why play 0augs in dx when you can play 0augs in css, quake or ut or cod or where ever? This statement refers to the dominance of 0augs and not to its existence. Mods exist in most games and sometimes they ruin them, but there is not much one can or should do about it. If the game is dead and some mod dominates, most reasonable option would be to move on, correct? I've lost countless friends to other games simply because I couldnt be bothered to leave with them or stay in contact.
Why do players play dxmp today? a) they are beginners that stumbled across dxmp for some strange reason b) they dont care much about the games anymore and occasionally go for a match in a game they started 5-9 years ago, just for the old times sake.
All the good players play some other game and hop into dxmp only occasionally. The beginners, once theyve improved, leave.

The hatred towards mods stems more than anything from the fact that the real game has no players. Let us call them conservative, upset. They are upset because they like the game. Is criticizing the mods the right way? No. The right way would be to leave as those with a few more braincells have done.

In the likely case that I have to point it out: these are no reasons to play a game. These reasons can not maintain a proper player base. Players should play the game because its captivating and entertaining. If it is entertaining one can find them in the server often and thus create base for fun games. More people play - > more people stay -> more people play because more people stayed because of all those people that played and had stayed as they saw people play. As a result you dont have to play all that much because the sheer numbers will ensure that when ever you go for a game, you can get a game, and when ever another person goes for the game he might find you in the server, thus enjoying a game. When the third player goes for a game he has a chance of seeing you OR the other player in the server, while you have the chance of seeing him or the second player in the server. In DXMP, in order to populate the server, some of us play 5 hours straight even these days, just to enjoy the streak of maps that suddenly drew enough people in. Once they start leaving the server, more follow.

[ShadowRunner]

Yes I sit on server all day sometimes.
Ok fair enough I see the point.

But that leaves me wondering about Phantom.
He raped a total beginner this morning, who didnt stay till the end of the game. Saturday is when many people will try DXMP for the first time.
When asked not to bug framerate, his attitude starting getting really shitty.
He says that you are just not as good as him and you can't stand that he can configure Deus Ex better than you.

I know though, that Phantom was a player hungry to learn about bugs in 2007. He used to troll msn asking for tweaks and bugs. Where there is smoke, there is fire also.

We need to come to some decision about having him on Zero-Aug server. I have 33 ping and a pentium 4 computer, a nice clean fresh install of Deus Ex, and five years experience, I still am finding a melee with him a waste of time.

As far as I can see, he's the only player doing it as well, with various different alias on.

[~Blade~]

I've recently seen only 3 players abuse this firerate bug, two of them (Gab/TBD) acknowledge it & have fixed their systems accordingly, the third however (you know who) refuses to accept that he abuses it & so refuses to fix it, that is why he's banned on THC servers (which do not allow this kind of bug).
Also, there a few other newer players (e.g. 11zxc11zanza) who say they just dont know how to fix it :s

[Mastakilla]

Omfg Ken don't you dare start another 0aug debate or I'll come to your house and slap your left nipple

[synthetic]

There is no debate to be had. You know that, Nick.

How is a multi-player game with the goal of killing enemy players in different color jumpsuits even remotely special? There are no rpg/rts elements. There is no other goal besides killing enemy players. The maps are small and crude. Oh, and every now and then you crash to desktop, originally leading to erased score.

The reason why you and me have stayed for so long, played for so long is unlike that of the general gamer masses. I am not going to say that 0augs is metabolic end product or that it sucks. Why would I do that? I'd be a hypocrite. Instead, I'll say that it has no real place in dxmp as default game type of these days. If it was possible to host it as a mod.. by all means, it can't be helped can it. I am however going to use the chance and say that maybe indeed it would be for the best for dxmp not to have any total conversion mods. Since people are free to do what they want, create what they want they may accidentally kill the game as has happened with auged gametypes. 0augs SEEMS easier and for that reason people are more prone to pick that up, and we end in a vicious cycle.

Im not going to say anything bad about AG. One has to admit though that the game is FAR from finished and most of the maps are smaller than they should be. I had lot of fun in AG servers, seeing the rise and fall of the evil medic prof through different versions.

[ShadowRunner]

Well let's play safe and have a lot of variety in Deus Ex.

Yep, AG badly needs more maps. The maps exist, they just haven't been converted.

As I reminded a player today, there are more newbs than pros in Deus Ex these days, so some of us will have to accept that.

[synthetic]

Every game has more beginners than pros, the fact simply is that today there are no pros in 0augs. I cant say anything about SG but the only good players show up for atdm games when there are any to be had.

Edit: never mind me, Ive been ranting on 3 sets of forums all day. It is pointless waste of time, for me and for others. Ive just been bored, I guess. Host the maps you want on your servers because my opinion only reflects that of those players who dont want to camp sitting still in one position and waiting patiently for enemy to come into the crosshairs. Truth is however that all the players left are of so little skill that they are happy with exactly that, and as such catering for their wishes is most reasonable.

[ShadowRunner]

It's not a waste, it's been very informative.

[~[FGS]SaSQuATcH~]

ATDM is mysterious like DXSG because whenever I join the empty server, in less than 5 minutes a pro (!) will enter and own me

[ShadowRunner]

Yes I've noticed this with other gametypes. When everyone is on ZXC and Altfire, I'll go to Zero Aug and by the end of the game the server is at least half full.

[Mastakilla]

Ken, you seriously overanalyze things too much. lol.