Popularizing DXSG and Altfire

[Majestic]

0 Aug server should have normal weps with normal maps
SG server should have all SG Maps (only here and not on another server) and maybe a other weaponmod ... i prefer WeaponLord or Tactical
Altfire server should have normal maps

Majestic and I tried to run FGS the Ichotolot way. With respect, Chris DJ and Nobody can not tell me we should have only 1 low gravity server with all maps, it is not the FGS way. If this clan want to do things the Ichotolot way, I come back. If we bring back Wunderland 1 and Wunderland 2 and do what Icho says we should do, then I am happy to get involved. Stop saying like idiots what will work and wont, let the mapvote and serverlist decide. FGS always had two Wunderland. No-one can stop me bringing that back. Even Icho the leader agree we need to separate the maps. Calm down padawans.

Also you need to consider not wasting any more time and money. My suggestion. Since Nobody pays, Jima, Fear, Masta and Whiplash I think too pay, and I will pay, it is enough for us to get a box. With a box and 2 spare servers we can do this:

1. Wunderland 1 Server (Altfire normal maps) put Pacman and Abandoned on the zero aug server. Remove lams from this server. Tnag, low grav, zero augs. mapvote
2. Wunderland 2 Server -put large maps, lams and ALL SG maps, low gravity too. I say add 2 or 3 augs like Wunderland 2 in 2006 . mapvote. This can also be used for maptesting and wepmod testing.
3. Zero Aug Server 3 default weps maprotation
4. RPG server 4
5. Human Revolution Server 5
6 Classic SG server, augged and default and add tactical or weaponlord and all SG maps with mapvote. 6

Then no-one waste money, or time arguing.
Everyone happy with this?
We pull TOGETHER and rent a box. No-one try to change the winning successful FGS way. Not DJ, Not Cris, not anyone.
FGS is oldest clan for a reason. Please dont be in this clan 2 years and think you know something more about how to run FGSserver than Icho or the people he trained. It is really tiring having to explain to you why altfire is screwed up. You have little student mentality in that sense, some of the people arguing about this havent really seen the real altfire or why it was great and popular. FGS already decided this, I don't know why you guys are trying to argue against Wunderland 2 coming back.

I agree with this. Judging by my own experiences in Deus Ex, Wunderland 2 was one of the best servers and back in the day, it was rare to find no one on it. It was popular because of the great selection of well-built and wonderfully detailed maps, altfire, low gravity. It was the reason for me to play this game and to even be in this clan. I wanted to serve those who built this great server, which appeared to be a standalone game in its own respect. So I have done for years. It seems I and Shadowrunner agree on this. We have to bring this back! SG on its own with augmentations was another of my personal favourites even though I didn't like aug servers and as far as I can recall, it was a very popular server. Therefore, I fully support the idea of multiple servers in the old way. The prospect of this situation excites me and would definitely persuade me to make another attempt at returning to active front line duty, which I've recently unsuccessfully tried.

[ShadowRunner]

By leaving I am not accusing anyone of anything, just reserving my personal right not to be involved.
You can see clearly that senior members and ex-senior members all disagree with what Chris and DJ are saying.

I think also I am being very reasonable and patient after nearly two years of trying to tell people.
If Altfire hadnt existed in 2005 in it's pure form, I would never have become a mapper or stuck around in multiplayer, GODZ was an abomination to the eyes after playing single player for five years.

When DX3 is released the problem will get even worse, if you don't allow me to fix, players will see DXMP is just pacman and throwing lams into one spawn from another.

Majestic and I tried VERY HARD to pass on from Icho, the knowledge from Icho to you guys, but seems we have failed in some ways, because here we are, a mapping clan, arguing about lams in spawnrooms and making maps that have lams and gas in the spawnrooms.

A spawnroom needs only weps. The more med, ammocrates and pick-ups you place in spawns, the more camping and abuse with grenades there will be. It's reached the point on altfire, where the only maps voted are non-altfire maps that are badly designed and contained no protection for players. That is why I leave, either let me fix the server/s or I have to go, sorry.

Since player numbers are slightly increasing at the moment, I dont think you can say altfire is getting empty because people are leaving, it's empty because the ftp activity and maplist and clan policy has all changed in my absence. It does not make sense to revolve around one or two people who are busy and can not provide the service we did before and with respect, honestly, with respect, those people dont have the knowledge that Icho or have about making that server own.

You will never popularize FGS servers as long as altfire is the way it is. SG too, with only noodz maps, gives an advantage to vets and auggers, that makes it no fun for newbs. That's why AG is not the solution either, not enough maps, although plenty of WW2 maps we have lying around including mainmans new one. I'm talking about letting me balance Wunderland 1 and Wunderland 2 the way it should be and seeing how each server will own again.

[~DJ~]

icho trained you.. however

al qaeda trained me

SO YE I WIN

[ShadowRunner]

so where did you and Chris get your knowledge that "people" want abandoned or pacman and shotty and huge lams?

FYI information, Fear agrees also that I should be fixing Altfire, about the GD box too he agrees.

Also DJ If you insult people in a server you admin again, I'll start a poll to remove you from FGS.

[Magus]

Also DJ If you insult people in a server you admin again, I'll start a poll to remove you from FGS.

And I'll join JUST to agree.

[~DJ~]

and i'll make a pool at al qaeda where we decide to execute rollo

[ShadowRunner]

DJ I'm making serious points about altfire mapping and you're just spamming up the forums.

We might as well have a poll about altfire. I wasn't going to push for shotgun removal, but seems enough people want it removed.
Seems until we sort the maplist out, that some people want lams off too.
Most members seem to want abandoned and pacman removed to the zero aug server.

What is annoying me, is that I am not suggesting Chris and DJ can't have their style too, I'm just saying we need to create an altfire server that will do the job it has always done before. What Chris and DJ argue for will not succeed, in fact it is already getting complaints.

Also I noticed that some people have a new complaint that "players dont know the maps" on zero augs.

LOL - good!. Anything which balances the game for people is good.