Fast action...

[~DJ~]

Okkkaaay, Hii. Just wanted to post again. Dint had time before, sorry for not giving the utter attention you need.

So I'll start off with.. uh, duno what post of yours.

@ DJ, You're also a troll for different reasons.

Nope, couldn't find anything stated here that makes me a troll. I'll continue my point here.

In the same breath as you are negative about DXMPHR, you are promoting TREM. (Don't waste my time asking for the link, you know which forums you posted this on).

Sorry bro. I'll have to ask for the link. Gotta get straight. You are already accusing alot of people here, without providing enough information.

Since you are desperate for a battle between TREM and DXMPHR...

no.

then, just remember you've asked for this, it started in shoutbox weeks ago, Chinny told you to stfu for taking a joke seriously

Haha, I remember that. I had my caps on too. It was obviously a friendly joke, and a partial sarcasm I guess. Though, I bet you are not taking jokes here.. I don't need to 'compete' with your modification.
Anyway, since I can't see shoutbox's history, I'm not gonna say anything behalf of any other member, but I do remember that Chinny said to 'work together', not 'stfu'

and now at the first opportunity, you bitch DXMP(*do you mean DXMPHR?) and virtually in the same paragraph, go on to lecture me how TREM is good.

Eh, I have no idea where you're taking this from. Is this the post of mine in THC? If so, I'll let everyone take a look at it.
At page 3 (My reply), you can clearly see that I haven't stated anything about TREM actually.

I never said anything about TREM, but now you've asked for this...

1. TREM is illegal use of copyright.

LMAO. I really thought you'd criticize on the modification.. but--
Hey Mr.bigshot, do you know what a modification is?

2. You call DXMPHR

unnecessary

No, I said that it has no aim (Planning, etc). Never said it was unnecessary.

I've never played RE, I never will, and you clearly under-estimate the amount of people who feel the same way about DX being modded to other franchises. If I want to play RE I can purchase RE. You clearly under-estimate also the amount of people who want the HR experience in MP. It's like 2000 v 2 million dude. You left the mod because I annoyed you and Sasquatch, not because you think it's unnecessary.

Then you have no idea what you're saying, nor do you become a 'candidate' to say anything related to Resident Evil, quite frankly.
Haha, I know you speak behalf of too many people, but you actually don't have any idea, it seems that you just want to say something about TREM currently, as if I personally attacked your modification or something.. Continuing what you wrote, I'm sure the amounts are high on our side actually, we're making a mod for an epic game OF an awesome game, but it's not just converting, it will have what RE dint had, it's something new. First person view, 3D maps, etc. which is something new for it, and Deus Ex itself. A survival horror mod for it, also featuring not only singleplayer, but multiplayer co-op too.
Why don't you think that people who want to play DXHR would buy DXHR? Multiplayer experience is just your excuse, I see, it has amazing maps, I agree, perhaps even amazing weapons, but all I said was, it's aimless. What have you planned for MULTIPLAYER that ISN'T ON DXHR(SP) itself? or that has the Multiplayer feeling? (referring to gametype, and major planning)
Oh is it, 2000 vs. 2million? I never know where you bring up your statistics from, ever. Perhaps in your dreams. I've seen.. frankly, quite ALOT of people who have had played both Deus Ex and Resident Evil 1, and would like to see this modification turn up. If not, atleast 125 people for sure.
Ah, no. I never said I'd work for your modification from the start because I dint liked the whole idea, and I thought it as a failure (progress wise) from the start, but I've seen Chin turning the table around. I was still, yet, very busy, so I rejected your last request. But, you still made me an Administrator back again at your forums (back then), forcing me to contribute something... I also know that working on multiple mods at a single time can cause both the modifications to collapse altogether too...anyway, so here were my reasons. I can't say behalf of Sasquatch, but from reading the old posts, I see that he has denied working with you because of complications with you. (Exact words: Timebomb)
I mean no offense though.

3. Your marketing strategy sucks balls. You never attack the competition. You're just undoing your colleagues' hard work.

You don't have the idea of anything related to our modification anyway, as you stated, nor do you have any for our private discussion of development, so I suggest you to stop talking about our work.
We're not marketing any product. It's a modification lol. If you say that we are weak at PR, or don't post any articles that recent. It's because we do planning, we don't just go on pop some media of wallpapers/music, which we dint even made, we carefully post news and media as a whole, we're not that public, I admit, but it's for the own good of the modification, and PR. We're lining up some work first, rather than showing some incomplete progress. How is it good for the modification? Well, we're atleast keeping it spoiler-free for sometime. DXSM wasn't meant to be public till almost ready, but we decided to post it because, to tell them we're not dead. We post exclusive news, that bombards the ModDB rankings, and gives the viewer an amazing feeling about the modification.
Yeah, we never attack the competition. We're not competing with any mod, quite frankly.
Can you elaborate on how am I undoing my colleagues' hard work?

4. You could write 30,000 logical explanation of why TREM is a better mod than DXMPHR and you would be 100% correct, but you're grossly ignorant of how many people would prefer the HR experience to the RE experience in DX.

Yes I could, and you know it, so why bother with this bigass post. I bet you want a comeback, as I stated. But I never have personally attacked you or your modification. You're misunderstanding me. I don't really care about how many would prefer HR experience than RE experience. We do what we like to do.. But if it's such a better experience than HR experience, why do you keep asking for TREM to give its coding and other assets like HUD, UI, (weapon) Glows, puzzles, etc, to you?

At least one of you was smart enough to realize this, and his map is superb.

..I hate it when you say something but really don't mention who said-- or what are you trying to say, and say behalf of them. So for less misunderstanding, what the hell do you mean by that? I take it you're talking about Chinny. Well, I'm not like you so I wouldn't bother talking behalf of him.

Despite the fact you irritate the hell out of me, I didn't start arguing with you about TREM before. All you need to *love* off and leave me alone, and perhaps sometimes read my posts without pre-judging, I didnt come here in 2010 to start metabolic end product. @Noobz, If you did read, I wouldn't have had to repeat myself a million times in 2010 and feel I need to leave this clan because no-one listens.

Oh do I. So you hate me from the starting. I haven't argued with you about DXMPHR either, it's just my thoughts about it. I tried mentioning them in the friendliest manner EVER, yet you had this some sort of outburst as if I said something wrong about your modification.

Now, moving on to one of your another posts.. which I feel like replying.

Yes, I mentioned TREM, Alien Takeover, Nobody's mod, not just DXMPHR. You are so manipulative and dishonest. You make it sound like I couldnt give a *love* about anyone except myself. I talked about the WHOLE community, but you had to be a vagina.

Bringing back that again, are we? eh.
I've replied it already, just go here. Can you stop repeating yourself, so I can atleast EXPLAIN myself.

Yes I do see a correlation between you and DJ posting crap about DXMPHR. I see a correlation between Alpha lying in 2007 and lying right here, right now.

omg alpha! CONSPIRACYYYYYyy
they paid me 5 DOLLA!! NOW IM AGAINST U N UR MOD!!1

You and DJ need to learn the first rule of marketing too.

So we can sell you?
Oh, so you're a pro at marketing? What exactly are you implying that; we need to learn marketing. For what?

Can you keep THIS http://www.dxalpha.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16534 to PM's please, I dont think anyone, except Aidan and DJ want to hear you whining about every minor error you want to use as your weapon James.

I'm not gonna judge the thread or anything, but I've also explained myself. And yet you bring this up again. Oh and please, no one except you is the one who's whining here.

Explain me, what I have done, except defend the mod, defend myself. I have STARTED precisely nothing.

You have outbursted, that's what you've done. And you're imagining that everything is against you. No one is attacking you, you're taking this as a personal attack, you don't need to defend yourself, or the modification. Actually, for the third time, You have PRECISELY started THIS DRAMA!

Find the hate in this OP or stfu and go away Mr liar/troll

Why do you think anyone should find the hate in the original post only?

Anyway, I guess I'm still incomplete of replying everything you've stated, because I don't have much time for this.. this childish and immature posts of yours. I'm also gonna say, no offense though. I'm just stating everything directly what came on top of my head. But right now I wouldn't care if it's offensive or not.

If you had any decency at all, you would stfu and lock this thread, allowing the person leaving to say what he wants and leave.

I agree, so, pleaaasee, someone!

[ShadowRunner]

The irony in his post speaks for itself.

FGS was beyond 1337 when Icho ran it. It was one of the best clans around when Majestic and Kuch ran it and I was "spokesperson", but then for some reason when I was away, people chose to argue with the leader and both guys totally lost interest. Since then the clan has slowly lost its standards and values and it is nothing like the FGS that Ichotolot created.

In 2010 I tried to politely address these issues, but was insulted and properly humiliated for doing so.

The main aspect of this unhealthy change was the disrespect towards Majestic by members, also the control of the server was in such a way, that everything had to pass by Nobody and Nobody's approval. Since the guy was busy, this basically killed the "heart" of FGS, which since 2004/5 was the support and development of mappers and players on a nightly basis that Icho and then myself and Chinny had previously provided. Also if a member tried to point out an error, basically it was received with insult and humiliation back, members being accused of trolling or "starting metabolic end product". Instead now you rely on one person to run everything and however perfect he is, it's not a perfect system. The fact that it has taken me over a year to speak about these issues, without being insulted, is pathetic and shameful on those people's part. I don't agree with the way the servers are run, or the way you carry on in public these days, or your behaviour towards each other.

Out of respect to Icho, Majestic and Kuchcik I feel forced to leave. I've tried hard to get along with these other people, but you've turned FGS into something which I would rather not be associated with. I'm tired of watching you insult people and act in a self-serving way rather than a FGS way. FGS was always different from other clans, and the reason it was the only clan to survive the decade.

You and others still don't understand what made FGS different.
Imagine I ran a server and I hosted your maptest instead of the finished map, you'd been asking me for literally years to remove the maptest... why should I even have to explain my anger at this level of incompetence and disrespect. How could you dare to suggest I am mental? This is just one example of the bs in the server administration that makes me not trust my own clan. I've never heard of a server that "removes" maps from the maplist when it crashes. Strangely it always only removes my SG maps. I'm not *loving* stupid.
I'll find somewhere I can work without obstruction and where FGS values can be maintained and where I can trust people. If it is not a trust issue, then I really think Nobody has to admit he is unfit to run FGS server.

Don't act all surprised, I've been polite for YEARS, now it's time to be heard.

[~][FGS][Nobody~]

Humm.. this is an unending story, it seems.

I could dig up the old debate about the betrayed clan leaders again,
which would include my point of view about the actual clan leaders
and it would include those members of FGS that never really welcomed me in FGS.


However, for the sake of peace, I will just answer to your last sentences..

I've never heard of a server that "removes" maps from the maplist when it crashes. Strangely it always only removes my SG maps. I'm not *loving* stupid.
I'll find somewhere I can work without obstruction and where FGS values can be maintained and where I can trust people. If it is not a trust issue, then I really think Nobody has to admit he is unfit to run FGS server.

Yes, that sounds like conspiracy but I can just repeat what I experienced on the server, configuration wise.
I know I did remove that maptest map. Then you suddenly talked about it again, which made me to check for it again and it was back there.
According to running the server itself...
I agree. I'm unfit to run the server, but not on a technical base but on a base of misinformation and lack of time.
I didn't want to give access to any member because then the risk of suddenly disappearing or reappearing maps and changed settings would have raised.
That's why I gave you ftp access, so there exists at least more transparency for your eyes.
However, although you were fit for deciding about the content to be hosted (more than I am), you obviously weren't fit on the technical base.
Mind this is no insult just what I experienced when I gave you access.
I wrote you a long PM where, I tried to explain you all existing relevant folders and all oddities that need to be minded when changing stuff on the server, but the result was that this was all too confusing for you.

Don't act all surprised, I've been polite for YEARS, now it's time to be heard.

Ehh.. obviously it was time to be heard whenever you became impolite and that is not YEARS ago.

[Kuchcik]

and it would include those members of FGS that never really welcomed me in FGS.

Sent: Thu 03 Jul, 2008 11:38
From: ShadowRunner
To: Kuchcik
[FGS]Nobody!

FGS wins so hard... well done all...

Hope you don't mind me quoting a 3-year-old private message, Shadow.

@all
I could write you up a long text about the entire situation and the metabolic end product-throwing that is happening lately, and what I'd suggest to do about it, but it wouldn't really change anything, would it? You are always going to have your inner hate towards other people that you don't even actually know, and their representation in your head is the text typed by them and read by you.

It's all about solving the metabolic end product between the DJ-Nobody-Shadow trio. And we can go from there.

[Mastakilla]

Since my priveleges have been revoked, I can not post in the thread. So I post here. Considering ex-members such as Ken access the private forums and considering I was a member for about 5/6 years, I find it rather strange that my priveleges were revoked so quickly, however I shouldn't say this because an Admin will see that comment as personal attack, not a comment.

All I really want to say... who should I trust are the experts...

two young guys from FGS say it is not a good idea.

A massive $40 million budgeted operation called Eidos Montreal say it is a good idea.

Who to believe? Who to trust?

Personally, I think providing 1 million? players of DXHR with some form of MP function in the HR world AND at the same time, brings them to DXMP servers, is a bloody good idea.

If you bring even a thousand players to DX I will come over and suck your male sex organ.
I really will.
Untill then please just stick to the project you're a part of, I heard you have a crazy deadline.

I really like you Rollo but if you have already made your mind up about the people you're arguing with then let it go... There's nothing to gain for anyone in this. Let's show some mutual respect and drop all the sarcasm and name calling and blame and move on.
Please?

[ShadowRunner]

I really like you too Masta, your return injected some levity to a dead atmosphere.

Name-calling. Well haha, that's one of the reasons I am leaving. And that's another thing I DEFINITELY did not start here.

Masta, I don't seriously expect that this mod will bring 1000 people and how the hell would we measure that anyway.
I do however look at the figures for Invisible War in 2004.

The release of a second title, did bring a lot of players, it was less than a thousand of course. Distinguish between "bringing players" and "causing people to connect to MP". DXHR/DX3 is obviously going to do both of those things. As a 42 year old marketing expert, I can tell you now, it would be immensely stupid for the community not to make a mod like DXMPHR to maximize the numbers of people connecting.

So I would say thousands will connect, hundreds will become players. No single project or person in this community should be arrogant and claim the credit for that, although obviously DXMPHR mod is an excuse to generate MASSIVE PR about DXMP.

[ShadowRunner]

for the second time Masta, there's no deadline, but obviously exclusivity on assets would be impossible if there are question marks regarding the likelyhood of finishing in August.

those members of FGS that never really welcomed me in FGS

Oh boy. Considering FGS private section contains a million posts by me suggesting we recruit you, that's possibly paranoia.
You just came at a moment where FGS wasn't prepared to to be accused of anything further. The fact you had been misinformed by your previous clan was not our fault. I don't think anyone at all was unhappy, but some people were nervous and that was more to do with the fact that you were misinformed.

[UnevenPavement]

Your DXHR is a good idea. Keeping an anonymous identity of community / project relation (i.e. "Marder") was also a good idea. Once your identity was revealed, the strength of your proposal was weakened. Once you involved your opinion subjectively many lost interest. Once you involved your loyalties for FGS, an irrelevancy of internet relationships which for the sake of the project should be kept professional is what could potentially make the DXHR just another failed idea for DX.


Really, the drama is needless. The first 5 posts on [A] forums as Marder were very captivating, but when FGS was personalized and involved the conviction to anyone [outside or inside] the clan was marred. There should be an unaffected motivation and utmost effort when the impertinent musings of how a forum or server admins should operate are ignored should remain. All else meaningless drivel should be redacted.

It's tiresome how so many great ideas have gone awry because of unimportant clan politics that make outsiders to the community (especially Eidos Montreal) to consider these "fans" an ineffectual group of easily distracted individuals, more quickly caught up in the efforts of promoting themselves, or their clans then giving the game and its sequel the overhaul.

I hope DXHR takes off, and I hope it doesn't fail and the sequel's delays were not made for nothing. If so, DXHR's anticipation among fans and gamers will have been worn down and interests dulled for nothing more than same bickering and focus on unimportant "clan politics" that killed DX in the first place.

[James]

(Sorry Alex but hopefully this will not cause silliness)

Hello Uneven ([DK]?), I didn't know you browse DXALPHA forums.

Rollo never kept his identity secret at least to me. I recall telling him I don't care about that because the idea behind DXMP:HR is a good one. Although I agree with personal relationships with Rollo being the cause of other users disliking the idea I would leave clans out of the mixture entirely because to be honest it is a poor observation. Also some of the stuff shown was pivotal to early opinions, e.g; the wallpapers were funny for how dreadful they are.

It is quite annoying that Rollo thinks I dislike the modification and framing that I'm cyber-bullying him. Something that I explained prior to him posting was not the case and that the Wikipedia entry was incorrect to article standards and 'ugly'.

I hope DXHR takes off too. The videogame definitely plays enough like the original/a 'Deus Ex' for me. Just hoping on a believable story (DX1 imho had a lil bit of generic plot but the way it was weaved through the various mediums of the game and delivered is what made it special) and good memorable conversations.

[ShadowRunner]

I didnt think you were against the mod and I don't recall saying so, your title suggests your beef was with me. I appreciate unknown Mr Pavement taking the time to write an eloquent post. I'm not sure how I involved FGS in replying to James, but will re-read and thank you.

James - what is totally bananas about your tirade is this... http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=117346
You have far bigger fish to fry my friend. Also I really think just cos you see mention of my mod, doesn't mean I touched your words.

So basically someone has just agreed with my THC post. That people in DXMP are too busy personalizing issues rather than studying how processes could be improved. It doesn't matter if you want to murder me, ppl would be a fool not to showcase their talent via the DXMPHR mod. Every member of the editing community could contribute one thing, however small to the mod and it would make a huge difference. If you look on Wiki, EM, Steam, Moddb, FGS, Alpha, I don't just talk about my own interests and project, I am promoting the community as a whole. How many ppl do that in DXMP?????? My invitation to Alpha was genuine. Anyone who wants more players should do something, if only to annoy journalists soon or games forums.

Ideally every editing community member could contribute at least one thing to the mod. I'm good with ideas but barely have time to implement stuff, so the community should be more pro-active in seizing the opportunity to bring players and showcase their work to the industry perhaps. With that in mind I might totally open up the private forums. If not, I will re-add DJ. Most likely we'll go public. It went private just to make sure there wasn't another group competing using the same idea. That clearly isn't the case.

Personally I think everyone is exaggerating what it is like to work with me or exaggerating tensions which actually don't exist.
I'm perfectly capable of a conversation and so are they. The community has grown up and has either forgotten or doesn't care about the past. Noodz and DJ may have a biased opinion, but then that's clan bs, not community issues.

James, credit yourself for DXMPHR mod. I spent 6 years reading your forums, reading about your projects and efforts, the issues regarding the community. My idea was born out of this totally. I and others are just stupified that once we handed this to you guys on a plate with bells on, we were shunned for no reason other than I pissed a few people off in the past. I expected someone more capable than me to take this project over and use it for themselves, their own work and the community.

It's 2011 and pretty much our last chance. Let's not *love* it up. What say you? The only serious issue we have is a lack of wep/aug animators who can tell our animators the parameters and how to import into DX, to save their time.

[James]

Wikia websites have different standards for each Wiki unlike Wikipedia which keeps standards for articles and articles about subjects. It is irrelevant.