Is FGS a mid-skilled clan?

[ShadowRunner]

I challenge ANY augger to take their own medicine.

Chinny
Chris
Shadowrunner

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ONE augger, + 4 novices or beginners in custom. Even custom augs. But if you are brave, you will accept the challenge in 0-aug custom.

If the augger wins, he has my blessing to call FGS a mid-skilled clan.
I think the ball is in their court personally, it's up to them to prove they really are skilled at Deus Ex Multiplayer.

It does not impress me to go on atdm servers and constantly fight against unfair teams, then come to my own forums and read that I am not skilled.

Put your money where your mouth is, or show proper respect for our skills or simply end this stupid racism.

I respect whatever gametype people choose, no gametype is more skilled, each has its own set of skill requirements.

[Hammer[HK]Time!]

0 augs is generally the lowest ping wins. RTKM server would have a euro winning, open CTDM would have an american winner.

I'd say 1 on 1 in each gametype or mutator would define a player's expertise in that type. SG and BTDM would be the basis in which to judge 1 on 1. Altfire and 0 augs would judge teamwork.

[Kothar]

its all about preference, I prefer 0 aug and altfire because to me they are more fun, not because "It takes less skill" because it doesn't take less skill it just take different skills for auged matches and normal weps.

plus altfire is a refresher for me because the normal weapon get boring.

[SPAZ ROFELZ]

I'm intrigued by this, I'll do atdm or btdm but not 0 aug because you three will just rape like slackjaws.

The thing is, saying that you'll beat any augger with 4 beginners aka metabolic end product players is hella bad for FGS's rep. How about FGS vs 1 augger or FGS vs 1 augger and 1 beginner.

If you're gonna *loving* noob bash and leave the "decent" player to pick up the pieces of a shattered team then you deserve to be called a mid-skilled clan.

[Sike]

I accept this challenge.

Just give me date and time and I'll be there.

[~[FGS]SaSQuATcH~]

0 augs is generally the lowest ping wins.

Agreed. My today's performance on RTKM was metabolic end product because I lagged all the time... When my ping was under 300 I was always warping, when it was above 300, then it was metabolic end product anyway.

If you're gonna *loving* noob bash and leave the "decent" player to pick up the pieces of a shattered team then you deserve to be called a mid-skilled clan.

That's what happens whenever I go on ATDM servers and see a vet "owning". He kills the noobs, collects the augs, skill points and equipment then he starts attacking the decent player, leaving him no chance.

[SPAZ ROFELZ]

I've long since owned in an ATDM server.

The only reason people like us are seen as people who own is because we can play properly if needs be.

[ShadowRunner]

My topic is a bit stupid, but I'm trying to make a point which Chris has picked up on too. We fight fair and square and take it up the butt in atdm, but with the exception of a few people like Yanni and Spaz, non-custom players quit usually during a custom battle. So Kudos to Spaz and Sike for accepting.

Sike, are you sure? Make sure you are not high. Today was pretty much that situation that we are complaining about, but in role-reversal...

it was two good FGS against you and 2 noobs, and you were losing badly.

As I said it's a stupid topic, but it is an interesting experiment perhaps. Vice versa, it would be interesting to see 2 good FGS v 1 augger and 2/3 noobs in atdm, just as an experiment. Even though the augger has the superior skill perhaps, he's unlikely to be able to protect his novice teammates.

[SPAZ ROFELZ]

Yeah, in other words FGS will attack the noobs and it's up to Mr Augs to protect them. And I thought RPG was a homosexual gametype.

[~[FGS]SaSQuATcH~]

Now don't tell me that your [ATDM] v [FGS] challenge was just a little bit more fair.

[Kothar]

lol... well i do have to say that we won't just attack the noobs but just as in any game its a team effort and any time I see an enemy i shoot them whether they are noob or not.

[SPAZ ROFELZ]

Now don't tell me that your [ATDM] v [FGS] challenge was just a little bit more fair.

I challenged you to DXSG though, there's a difference.

[ShadowRunner]

Yeah, in other words FGS will attack the noobs and it's up to Mr Augs to protect them.

but this is my point Spaz. atdm is a challenge.

20mm Firstblood and a typekill or two here and there, a few spawnkills, oh lets whip out the gep, cos I just spawnkilled you last time and you dont have ads yet...hardly can call it more skilled than any other gametype. When you combine that with a game say which is 2 or 3 members against one [FGS] and three newbs, the members are gonna get easy kills, even if the [FGS] member is doing well. Spawnkilling and typekilling goes on far more, or is accepted far more in atdm than elsewhere, am I right?

And I go through all of that challenge, but on my server only 50% of clan are prepared to stay a game if they lose. And quite often there are insults etc...And find a [FGS] who is going on other forums and telling them they are mid-skilled...atdm is the best gametype, but 50% of the players make it unplayable sometimes by stacking the odds even further.

I dont dare to mess with the holy default gametype, but to me there is such a thing as an ATDM_NOOB. He's easy to spot, he's doing all the things described above.I do accept of course with emptying server lists, balancing teams in any gametype is getting harder and harder.

[SPAZ ROFELZ]

If a guy geps you at the beginning, take ads a player wont gep you if you have ads because it's a suicide mission (in most cases).

ATDM is all about adaptation to combat the enemy with tactical aug decisions and defeating a specific trait (such as movement for instance) with one of yours (eg aim).

Just because starting with Speed and Ballistic isn't working doesn't mean your enemy is a noob. I personally never switch my starting augs due to laziness, if it was a proper match I probably would.

As for spawnkilling, in the seasoned player circuit there is no such thing as spawnkill due to the protective sheild surrounding you. If you're too slow, it's your own fault.

Typekills are lame, however DXMP isn't a chatroom, if you want to chat, use msn, also try feign deathing to minimise the amount of TKs caused by "pro's" is a good idea.

A large part of ATDM is about etiquette, most seasoned players will adhere to it, things such as:
Not lamming spawns
No suicide missions
Responsible use of heavies (eg: not chucking a lam into a random bunch of fighting players)

[chin.democ.]

ATDM and etiquette in the same sentence