H1N1 Vaccine

[~[FGS]SaSQuATcH~]

My question is; Should I get a vaccine against it?
I think most of my family is taking it but I personally think that it's just another flu showing up like it's been doing so for a long time.. Or is it really that serious of a threat?

[Jima B]

I'm not getting it.
I was wondering when one of these threads would pop up :P

Question is, which is more dangerous? Nobody really knows... Vaccines and medicines have a strong history of causing health problems, but H1N1 poses much less of a threat than most other forms of flu out there.

The other question is, will H1N1 evolve (as it's not unlikely to) into a new deadlier strain.

The NEXT question is, will the vaccine lower the chances of this happening and, if it does happen, will the vaccine still be useful against whatever new strain does crop up?

Apparently the vaccine also contains squalene and mercury, but it's been proven (apparently) that squalene does NOT lead to stuff like gulf war syndrome and that it contains no more mercury than a tuna sandwich (and I want to know who the *love* is putting mercury in my sandwiches).

Of course, it may cause GBS (which can kill) although flu causes that too.

Videos have also surfaced of people expressing extreme physical disability after the vaccine, but it's debatable weather the vaccine caused the problem in the first place. Here's a one of the more popular videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGT0r-udstQ

According to sources many people are refusing the vaccine in the medical world, and I don't blame them.
They know, far more than I do, about the history of 'tested' medical drugs and vaccines. Causing, autism and (in women) deformed children being two of the most famous, or rather infamous, cases.

The way a vaccine is deemed acceptable by the medical community is if the chances of preventing death are deemed acceptable in comparison to the chance of disastrous side effects.

You should draw your own conclusion, and not settle for theirs, before you take it.
You can't make a noticeably right or wrong decision here until it's too late, and I may have already sealed my own fate by choosing not to get it, so take your time and choose wisely - It's not as if you're being rushed and if you change your mind and decide to get it later on down the line, you can. If you change your mind and decide you didn't want it, tough luck.

There's my opinion.

[SPAZ ROFELZ]

I had it, metabolic end product happens.

[~[FGS]SaSQuATcH~]

My mum told me things like lung hemorrhage, I don't know what's the proper word for it in English.. the point is that your lungs start bleeding and then there's no help anymore..
Only once in my life have I taken flu vaccine and after that I was sick for like 2 weeks, I had hallucinations etc.. I mentioned it the other day and my dad says it was probably a coincidence that I was given the vaccine so little before that sickness... I have never been so sick eversince.

Edit: What's also disturbing that the number of infected people in Ukraine has drastically increased.. which is a country right next door..

[~[FGS]Próphèt~]

I probably won't get it, but then again health care is super over here...

[Skilgannon]

My mum told me things like lung hemorrhage, I don't know what's the proper word for it in English.. the point is that your lungs start bleeding and then there's no help anymore..
Only once in my life have I taken flu vaccine and after that I was sick for like 2 weeks, I had hallucinations etc.. I mentioned it the other day and my dad says it was probably a coincidence that I was given the vaccine so little before that sickness... I have never been so sick eversince.

Edit: What's also disturbing that the number of infected people in Ukraine has drastically increased.. which is a country right next door..

You mean pnuemonia? Can happen as a secondary infection apparently....

[IchoTolot]

i dont want it ...

"What do not destroy me, made me stronger"

[~[FGS]SaSQuATcH~]

whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger

[IchoTolot]

its the same ... lol

[synthetic]

If your family doesnt have any pregnant individuals or people with weak constitution, and you consider yourself to be in good health then it probably wont be necessary. Vaccine however is protection, and one can never have too much protection.
Thinking otherwise would not be unlike the idea of not wearing protection helmet at construction site because it may be uncomfortable for more than one reason. Sure, some stone might fall on your head, but which does not kill you..

It is likely that most here will get the flu anyway. Just remember to cure yourself, no sickness should be taken lightly.

[Majestic]

I'm not getting this. I haven't been sick for 7 years and I'm not scared for a *loving* flu.
And @ Hidden, I'd think that way more stones at construction sites are lethal than this. So far in my country there have been 4 deaths (could be different, but I think it was 4). Out of 16 million people. I'm willing to take that chance.
I don't fear death at all, either.

[Jima B]

whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger

Not if it kills you though. :P

All current known strains of H1N1 pose very little threat to people of good heath though...

[~[FGS]SaSQuATcH~]

If your family doesnt have any pregnant individuals or people with weak constitution, and you consider yourself to be in good health then it probably wont be necessary. Vaccine however is protection, and one can never have too much protection.
Thinking otherwise would not be unlike the idea of not wearing protection helmet at construction site because it may be uncomfortable for more than one reason. Sure, some stone might fall on your head, but which does not kill you..

It is likely that most here will get the flu anyway. Just remember to cure yourself, no sickness should be taken lightly.

do you personally take the vaccine?

[Jima B]

Vaccine however is protection, and one can never have too much protection.

Be careful with this attitude.
I know I'm late in replying to you but vaccines can cause great risk. They've been known to kill vast numbers of people and the amount mental disabilities known to be triggered by vaccines is very high.

Of course, we've come a long way since vaccines first started being used. Some, like my self, think we haven't come far enough.

Your attitude may save your life (as my attitude may kill me) one day, but I'm the last person you'll see taking the smallest of risks... and in my opinion, taking any vaccine is a risk.

[synthetic]

Jima, you are right, because vaccine in itself is not a magic pill against the sickness, but merely a method for the body to develop resistance through what one might as well call hard labor The vaccines exist for a reason however.

The swine flu is not something we go through seasonly, as such it is new and thus potentially more dangerous. I suppose main points for and against the vaccine probably include the 1976 outbreak, especially when it comes to the critics of the vaccine. The syndrome behind the causes of deaths will probably end up reaping today, as well, but we need to remember that it has after all been over 30 years of rapid and mind boggling scientific progress. You think we havent come far enough? Probably so, likely even, but we definitely have come a LOT further.

One thing I do not completely understand however, is the danger behind this particular vaccine. From what you say it would almost seem as if the vaccine is more dangerous than the virus. Would it not be logical to assume similar or worse effects from the actual virus than the vaccine? I believe we might well be talking about myths both as far as the vaccine or flu go. The vaccine induced deaths or ailments are likely showing in patients who would otherwise have difficulty with the natural viral infection itself, too.

No I wont take the vaccine, and I havent taken it. I dont think my country even has it yet, and definitely not for public use so far. My experience has shown that my body has been in good health past some years. I am more worried about my sister who will probably be among the first estonians to get the virus since she works at a hotel. The fact that she tends to have a fever up to 40C even with the common flu doesnt help either.

As I said before as well, if you think you are in good health then you probably wont need it. Just remember to actively seek treatment when you have it. It doesnt have to be all professional treatment, even basic things such as garlic and hot tea work wonders.

If it comes to bird flu however.. Id get vaccinated when possible. I dont want to be an actor in the replay of the Spanish flu pandemic which killed 50 - 100m in just 2 years.


The construction helmet sentence was a general example of how people might perceive protection, at times. Since it was a rather bad comparison with the swine flu topic here I put it in tiny letters on purpose. Besides, who knows, maybe if your body has an unusual reaction to the vaccine, it might even be good if it shows while under the supervision of medical professionals.

I am somewhat curious about the effects of the vaccine in the long run when the strain mutates. Will the body be more resistant to the mutated form?